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>> yeah, i think the everybody does it defense is going to be very hard to explain to bob mueller for a couple of reasons. first, meeting was with a government official. second, it wasn't just any government. it was of a foreign adversary. third, what was being advertised in the meeting and in the e-mails was support, a contribution, an illegal contribution from a foreign national to the campaign in the form of opposition research. and, fourth, the e-mail traffic from the intermediary explicitly said this was part of russia and the government's support for donald trump. if you take all four of...

>> my son is a son is a wonderf man. i think from a practical standpoint, most people would have taken that maybe. nothing came of the meeting and i think it is a meeting most people in politics would have taken. >> that's not really a fact. we don't know if most people would take that meeting. we're watching the gold post move in real-time. the ever evolving defense from trump allies on the russia investigation. we have the original we didn't do it defense. no collusion to see here. >> when at some point are you going to accept this idea that there was no collusion? >> the entire thing has be...

Collusion? no. we don't have that yet. now, maybe there was collusion but hey, it's not illegal. >> i never understood it anyway. what was the collusion? >> is that a crime to say release it? >> to be fair, collusion is not a crime. but the defense certainly shifted. and then there's old favorite, the defense picking up steam. i give you the hillary clinton did it defense. >> democratic party operatives went to the ukrainian embassy to coordinate oppositional research and attacks against our campaign. >> you know, we have this extraordinary double standard where the clintons take millions of d...

From the deputies meeting at the national security council under barack obama, those folks are still around. that isn't ancient history. you don't have to dig those people out of deep retirement. those people can answer for themselves. it's a matter of record as to whether or not they approved that mission. they did not. that's on you guys. now they're trying this obama did it defense again on the puppy torture thing. this is what they put on the usda web site where they used to have about inspections on places they used to breed animals. it says "in 2016, well before the change in the adminis...

Did it defense again on the puppy torture thing. this is what they put on the usda web site where they used to have about inspections on places they used to breed animals. it says "in 2016, well before the change in the administration, the animal care section of the usda decided to make adjustments to the posting of regulatory records." see, obama did it. this is a decision made by the obama administration don't blame us, blame the usda under obama. the problem is that the people who ran the usda under obama are real people, they're not that old yet, they're around, they can speak for themselv...