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Meetings. he doesn't like the dynamics going on there. he sees the entire array of those folks by and large with the exception of boris johnson -- >> he hates being in the white house, he hates being in meetings. what does he like? >> what you're seeing is a president engaged in a battle that presidents for generations have said they will fight and none of them have. and he's going out -- >> talking about china. >> taking on china and doing it in a way that some people can quibble as to whether he's doing it the right way or the wrong way, but he's doing it. no one else has done it before. you...

That the debates between the candidates will be sort of whole within this parameters. >> is he a front runner. >> i think he is. i don't know if emake it in the top ten. certainly as the xkpmpb exgovernor of a major state. his willingness to take on donald trump, call his remarks offensive and not reflective of the republican brand, i think that's very brave. >> it's interesting because governors of texas have a very unique perspective on immigration. you never hear that kind of jinglism from them. you never heard it from george bush and you don't hear it from perry. they have the experience e...

Bad. and def. decent people don't stand up to it demagogue also arise to exploit people's understandable feelings this is not the europe we want to live. in geert wilders is a demagogue but it comes out of this terrible culture of appeasement. >> jim: he used the word fascism and the way people react sound like their reaction under fascism. they were afraid to stand up to demagogues and people -- >> the good news so far the truth is for all -- there is a lot of provocation and in fact citizens of the u.s. and citizens of most of these western democracies have reasonably tried to express their ...

Appeasement in europe is very bad. and def. decent people don't stand up to it demagogue also arise to exploit people's understandable feelings this is not the europe we want to live. in geert wilders is a demagogue but it comes out of this terrible culture of appeasement. >> jim: he used the word fascism and the way people react sound like their reaction under fascism. they were afraid to stand up to demagogues and people -- >> the good news so far the truth is for all -- there is a lot of provocation and in fact citizens of the u.s. and citizens of most of these western democracies have reas...