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Real misstep was made in the wake of the 2014— real misstep was made in the wake of the 2014 annexing of crimea by russia — the 2014 annexing of crimea by russia. they really should have acted _ russia. they really should have acted then to decrease its dependency on russia for oil and gas will top _ dependency on russia for oil and gas will top it— dependency on russia for oil and gas will top it didn't do that. russia's foothold — will top it didn't do that. russia's foothold has only grown in that time _ foothold has only grown in that time and _ foothold has only grown in that time...

Energy— sectors where we can also reduce energy consumption, thus reduce our dependency— energy consumption, thus reduce our dependency on russian gas. last but not least. _ dependency on russian gas. last but not least. it— dependency on russian gas. last but not least, it will not be easy. it will be — not least, it will not be easy. it will be hard. as i have already said. — will be hard. as i have already said. it — will be hard. as i have already said, it needs the support by everybody. everyone can do something, for example by reducing the energy— something, for example by ...

Pay for this. that is europe. that is financially bankrupt europe. it's also morally bankrupt. if you go more and more towards a lack of self-reliance and a lack of private charity and you depend more and more on government, somebody else to pay for you, that is -- i'm going to call it moral bankruptcy. it's just like europe. >> that's very interesting because to me, it seems like this election coming up in november will be the tipping point on this exact issue. >> yes. >> will we continue to go this way and go over the edge? >> we're over the edge. you look to the near future, obamacare will ...