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G.e. corporation. >> i do. he gave nbc and msnbc to the obama administration full-fledged support. i have never seen broadcast networks give such wholehearted support to one political party. >> bill: crony capitalism, all calculated deal pay back to give immelt this job on the commission because of what nbc, how they helped obama? >> it depends, again, what are we -- are we looking at the apples or the oranges? >> bill: we're looking at the corruption factor here. we don't care about fruits. >> first of all, there is no corruption factor. is there any laws broken? i don't think so. >> bill: i'...

It's been tough. but i've learned to deal with it. i've learned to -- you know, how to deal with it. >> how? what's the trick for people watching this who are going through a similar thing? >> well, it's just not about, okay, how do you stop the eating. it's deeper than that. there are issues behind it. you have to figure out what's creating it first in order to figure out how to stop it because it's not just about someone going in their refrigerator and saying, okay, i want this, i want this. there's something behind that. and that's what you have to figure out, get a hold of. and once you de...

It's deeper than that. there are issues behind it. you have to figure out what's creating it first in order to figure out how to stop it because it's not just about someone going in their refrigerator and saying, okay, i want this, i want this. there's something behind that. and that's what you have to figure out, get a hold of. and once you deal with that, then it makes everything else a little easier, a lot easier for me. >> how depressed did you get? >> it was -- it was pretty bad. it was bad. it was pretty bad. >> what's pretty bad? >> it depends, and i only say that because of different s...

And that's what you have to figure out, get a hold of. and once you deal with that, then it makes everything else a little easier, a lot easier for me. >> how depressed did you get? >> it was -- it was pretty bad. it was bad. it was pretty bad. >> what's pretty bad? >> it depends, and i only say that because of different stages in my life. when i was a kid, they told me that i started developing at a very young age. they said my chest was too big, so they'd bind my chest for performances. not my family. this was the very first show i did, "good times." they didn't tell me they were going to do...

If you can't trust the flight leader to do his or her job, the mission will fail. a lot of times in business as well as in combat you have to realize that the person out front is responsible to get the job done. if bp no longer has trust with the wing men who are in the trenches working to solve this problem, this oil spill, then they are going to lose. you can never win when you focus on surviving. you only win when you focus on the customer in swerving them. >> harris: that is powerful statement, you never win when you focus on surviving. in your case, that would have been the wing man. you ...