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International policy at the center for american progress. thank you both. it is a little late in the game to deny the ring leader is the ring leader when all along it's been a one man band. >> i think you're right. it doesn't pass the laugh test. however as a legal matter and public relations matter it may be the only strategy they have. >> who is the audience for this stuff? who is going to buy it, that he didn't lead the band and he didn't have it in his heart to get some dirt on joe biden or at least get the president of a country to say we got some dirt on him? >> the audience are the regu...

To be traveling. he is going. considering -- if anyone has paid any attention to the news today -- >> yeah. >> -- they've heard people saying, you know what, i'm not sure it's the right time, but if he comes, i will welcome him and meet with him. there are many people on the ground saying, don't do it. but presidents are expected to do that in times of tragedy. these visits wi s will be tense >> he's expected to do it but nullified his effectiveness by everything he's done to date. it doesn't pass the laugh test. there's something obscene when he stands up on monday at the white house and decr...

>> -- they've heard people saying, you know what, i'm not sure it's the right time, but if he comes, i will welcome him and meet with him. there are many people on the ground saying, don't do it. but presidents are expected to do that in times of tragedy. these visits will be tense. >> he's expected to do it but nullified his effectiveness by everything he's done to date. it doesn't pass the laugh test. there's something obscene when he stands up on monday at the white house and decries racism and bigotry and white supremacy and says we got to fight against these things when his words from the...

The american, make 'em here. maria: you mentioned usmca. a lot of democrats have said to me i'm not going to vote for it in its current form. do you have a plan b if it doesn't pass? >> maybe pre-nafta. nafta's one of the worst trade deals ever made, probably the worst, and i do include wto. wto gave us china in its current form. they're considered, you know, a developing nation. we put -- and, or you know, we've let them know we're not going to stand for that. we let the folks over at the world trade organization know we're not going to stand for that. but, so think of it. china, india, these...

They want a veto override. so a lot going on right now. clearly democrats want to talk about this issue but will it actually strike down the emergency declaration? at this point, it looks like no. >> stand by to stand by. great to see you. thank you guys. joining me right now cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. let's talk about the emergency declaration first. there is a chance that it gets to the house, there is a chance it could get through the senate but it comes down to the margins as phil was laying out. if it gets through, we know the president says he will veto it. if it does, ...