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A person communicates. there is an actual criminal investigation now under way. collusion -- if he had just held his peace and said go out and hang yourselves on the collusion thing because nothing happened and let the investigations proceed apace. he would have done himself a big favor. . now collusion is only one of the issues at stake. now it is witness tampering. now it is possibly treason on the case -- in the case of flynn. now it is obstruction of justice. and these things now seem to have even more weight depending on what we know at this point than the collusion. >> you know steve hal...

In the intelligence committee, in the fbi and else. and he needs these people to advise him. they don't believe a word that comes out of the white house and they're like us. these are just people with axes to kbrichgrind, they are people respect particularly partisan, they're seeing things that are wrong and there's no way to stop it, so they're doing the last resort, coming to the press and trying to make that public and hoping that will stop it. >> how significant is this considering what's happened over the past week. >> we're grading on the news curve because there's so much of it. i think...

About you could look at the appointment of a special counsel as almost an opportunity for this president to say, you know what? that's the investigation, it's ongoing, i'm focussing on the agenda, and here we are. >> it was an opportunity for him to do that, because things move so fast these days, that actually he could have done that, but actually he can't stop talking about it. when he feels aggrieved, he fix ates on things, and it becomes cyclical and he literally can't stop talking about this. >> reaction from cnn's sarah murray at the white house. the president left for an eight-day trip ...

Are colluded, you cannot be skewed simply by the nature of office that you hold. the words still have significance. politicly and especially legally. so give a cart blanch and say i'm the president this may have been pliking may have been something different it's a very different turn and distinction when you have obstruction of justice overhead. interfering with witnesses or tampering or trying to intimidate them in some way these have consequences which is why i think the president should perhaps follow o what the miranda says which is you have the right to remain silent. >> that's -- but to...

Not come up. this is all problematic for the president. >> the white house press secretary sean spicer isn't denying that the president side those things, correct? >> no, he's not. and about that 14-hour plane trip, we have a colleague on that plane, one of our editors is saying we got to call that guy and literally as they were taxiing on the run way, saying, by the way, this is going to pop right when you're in the air, i don't know what's going on in that plane, but it's not a happy place, i would bet the white house pointed out that this was a negotiating tactic, that their, spicer kind of...