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My point is when writing the book, it didn't happen in turkey because turkey is a crazy country. it will happen to all of us unless we start acting together. >> so what does democracy collapsing look like? i know you use the word "slide" because it's not like you wake up one day and you're no longer living in a democracy, right? what does it look like? what does the process look like and what is the end result? >> there are many people who think fm fascism is a historica concept but it's a political tool as well. it doesn't step fully formed into the government, it just creeps into the system....

Unfortunately, i can't. i think there are two things. there are two types of power. one is the checkbook, and one is the constituency base. and that's why i think one of the things we're seeing is some of those donors also decide whether they're going to support the constituency base in terms of organizing. when we talk about the fact there hasn't been as much -- there has been a lot but not the same amount we've seen in other pockets -- it's also because who writes checks for communities to organize and make those demands because there is a way to counterbalance. we have to deal with money an...