there are still american citizens in country. we want to focus on as well as our afghan allies. dana: does this surprise you that private efforts by civilians are doing this work, that our state and defense department wasn t able to do? it doesn t surprise me. it encourages me. you have to remember a lot of private efforts are former veterans, current veterans, former service members and government employees where you see the events that unravel and you don t have a choice other than to step up and show out. i think the most amazing thing about the private sector volunteer efforts has been the ability to leverage open source technology to move thousands of data calls and get everything organized for the government to take over the sustaining mission. dana: senator rounds was on with us earlier and be part of the panel today questioning the secretary. one of the things he said he wants to know is what is the plan now to help get the people
out of the country and how do we take it vover. if we re not there and we re not a military presence to hold them accountable, i think you can expect that they ll do what they want to do once we re out. the white house says it s in daily talks with the taliban. they re not planning to have president biden negotiate with them directly. do you agree with that decision? yeah. i don t think the president of the united states needs to negotiate directly with a militant group. so people involved with evacuation efforts tell me that the taliban are refusing to let people through for get to the airport unless they re american citizens or green card holders. that means that the special immigrant visas, the sivs, the afghan allies can t get through. does that surprise you? it doesn t surprise me based on this that. here s my suggestion. i think there are a couple things to remember. number one, i don t care what political administration we re in. the united states military is the stronge
scheme. unheard of, right? in the history of this country. among the charges, conspiracy and criminal-tax fraud. the trump organization calling the case political prosecution. the former the former president was not charged, by the way. a lot to discuss. matthew dowd is here. the former-chief strategist for president george w. bush. cnn political commentator, amanda carpenter, here as well. good evening, to both of you. matthew, it s not every day that a former president s company is criminally charged. what does that say about where we are right now? well, i think it s eminently predictable donald trump s lived his life in a seemingly corrupt manner. he s had the most-indicted or gu guilt-ridden white house that we have had since probably teapot dome. it doesn t surprise me. i think the question, still, remains is, in many ways,
but i do think liz cheney and adam kinzinger would be well suited for that position. well, not a recommendation. would you like to see that? do you think that would be helpful in your estimation? i do. we re hearing homeland security officials are worried about more violence this summer. they warn that right-wing conspiracy theorists think the former president is going to be reinstated in august. do you think people understand january 6th could happen again, there s a possibility with all these conspiracy theories, that people could be angry if in fact, or when that does not happen? it doesn t surprise me, again. you know, i feel like the republican party has been given ample opportunities to put this, you know, the rhetoric which led to the january 6 insurrection to bed, and they have deviated from that. you know, what i saw today was a lot of argument being made
they worry that right wing conspiracy theorists believe donald trump will be reinstated? do you think people will be angry if in fact that does not happen? it doesn t surprise me, again. you know, i feel like the republican party has been given ample opportunities to put this, you know, the rhetoric which led to the january 6 insurrection to bed, and they have deviated from that, you know, what i saw today was a lot of argument being made against the special committee, and the reason behind it was that we had already had multiple investigations into the january 6 investigation, including the criminal investigations. well, you know, i ve talked about that before. i think when you had senator klobuchar on. those investigations were, you know, looked into, the security