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Without a plan... it doesn't work. thank you, thank you, caroline. applause. let's go to our next question. what do you want to ask our panel? what is the role of external actors in discouraging military coups? i your answer, murithi. i wouldn't say that the coups are externally—driven. i think they are a response to frustration, in this... yeah, but can they be externally solved? that was the question. i don't think they can, really. all right, so... so the african union is wasting its time when it suspends burkina faso and mali and sudan and says we don't want to military there? they are j...

So i don't know that putting in sanctions ahead of an invasion would have mattered. i was one of those people who was saying we should have had a stronger hand before to try to deter him. but honestly, the. a intelligence this administration has declassified, as a cia officer i will tell you it is unprecedented and it was all to deter him from doing what he did yesterday and today. it doesn't work. the man has a different calculus and a different view of the world. >> that's the thing. he doesn't look at the world the way a western leader does. the biggest political catastrophe in history was ...

That russia — couple of days. so, what we see is that russia showed no respect for the nato- that russia showed no respect for the nato— russia founding act, and of course _ the nato— russia founding act, and of course if— the nato— russia founding act, and of course, if you have a founding act between two partners, nato and russia. _ act between two partners, nato and russia. and — act between two partners, nato and russia, and one part doesn't respect that agreement, the agreement doesn't — that agreement, the agreement doesn't work. it doesn't function. it doesn't work. it doe...

That because it wasn't working and trump pivoted to a much more robust posture on china. well biden has gone back to it despite everything and the real problem here of course is that it doesn't work. rachel: right. >> so of course they're going to do things that don't make sense. rachel: so the biden administration has been pressed recently to lay out the consequences that they apparently talked to the chinese about during that phone call that biden had with xi xinping, about what would happen if they actually gave military aid to russia. biden hasn't said what that would be, is it smart not t...

What happened in terms of all micron how many people dying versus how many people out of the hospital were having it in a few weeks ago, it felt like i was legitimately sick. vaccinated, boosted, i didn't have to go to the doctor. but the person i think who is the most interesting on this is the governor, democratic governor of colorado. because after the first wave of mask mandates went away, he never brought them back. everybody was bringing them back for delta, omicron and he said it's down here and never stood out on the mask mandates. i actually got in the fight with government governor o...