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Strong is that force among european leaders and does it concern you? >> well, again, i think if european leaders want to implement progrowth strategies that work, they need to listen to their own business community because the business community throughout europe is really with them, they've decided that we can't keep having the -- the government increases on taxes and regulations, that's not how you expand and the united states is the perfect example, the trump administration has really shown the way and how to do this and so i think it's important for media. i know i'm going to go back to th...

Collar workers, for small businesses. additional incentives. additional tax cuts and you might see that during the campaign, to be perfectly honest. there is nothing in the near-term. that's what the president was getting at. we believe the economy is quite healthy. we expect some relief on short-term interest rates coming up from the fed and so forth. but longer run, why not? the tax code can use much more reform, right? much lower marginal rates for individuals, for businesses and so forth. we've made tremendous progress in 2017, 2018, 2019, but we have more work to do. no question about tha...

>> what kind? you said middle class. that to me sounds like payroll tax cuts. >> no, i don't want to get into a lot of detail on that bus i don't want to get ahead of the curve, but highly unlikely we'll go to some sort of -- the idea of some short-term payroll tax cut fix, it doesn't work, it never works. it has no lasting impact. we're looking at incentives. we're looking at lower -- look, the personal tax rates could easily be lowered and probably, the brackets could be shrunk. that's a thought. small businesses, for example, could easily benefit from additional tax reform. for example, you...

I imagine that i'm somebody else talking to somebody who doesn't mean that much to me at all and nothing you say could have any affect on me. i am horrible at it. that's what i try. it doesn't work. >> well, i have never detected that. everything you describe has never actually happened on screen. it's only happened in your head. and so maybe we overworry these things. >> maybe we do. well, i wish you luck anyway, and break a leg and all those things. you are going to be fine. just leave your body. >> thank you, rachel some of the guests on this program might be on their way to the history boo...

I imagine that i'm somebody else talking to somebody who doesn't mean that much to me at all and nothing you say could have any affect on me. i am horrible at it. that's what i try. it doesn't work. >> well, i have never detected that. everything you describe has never actually happened on screen. it's only happened in your head. and so maybe we overworry these things. >> maybe we do. well, i wish you luck anyway, and break a leg and all those things. you are going to be fine. just leave your body. >> thank you, rachel some of the guests on this program might be on their way to the history boo...