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Exactly what was going on. and, you know, i would say to go back to your point about doj, i do think that doj has done a lot under this administration. not under the prior administration to work behind the scenes to counteract foreign interference by russia and other adversaries. it's a complicated process but they really have up their game in terms of counteract of what they're doing. that is good, news and will try to always on that -- thank you both for joining us tonight. we are both going to have to stay very close, there's gonna be a lot more legal questions in the day ahead. coming up, ...

Everything. but we saw yesterday was genuinely appalling. when you're asked, do i side with the intelligence community or putin? it's not a hard answer. there's one answer. the president didn't give it. why not? why will the president not say russia did it unequivocally. he didn't even do that today. does he not believe it? there's a whole host of reasons we can look at. it ends with collusion but there's a bunch of things before age. is it ego, he's afraid to look like an illegitimate president? dan coats said publicly the warning signs about russian interference today in our upcoming electio...

I never believed for one minute that russian meddling impacted the election. at the same time, i'm extraordinarily concerned about russia meddling in the election, that they were trying to meddle in the election. for some reason donald trump can't separate the two. >> but you're right -- >> he always conflates the two. >> the key things if you talk about the meddling, you are shedding doubt about whether he won the laefrelection. if he had more sophistication, if he was a bit more secure, you could talk about the two things separately and you need to. >> if you talked about it, being you would...

Possible. he might also be concerned that his election, the language of russian hacking into the election also creates problems if he wishes to continue to focus on the election. he won the election. and i think that a lot of folks in congress are thinking, let's move ahead with policy that the republicans have been trying to put through for some time. we have a president now who is a republican, let's move there. so why is this focus on having lost the popular election to hillary clinton, is it ego? is it an issue of legitimacy in his own mind? who knows. but what happens now, after the inves...

>> this is tumultuous. no precedence for this much change. this is more activity and transition and turnover than is normal. than the last transition. >> is it ego. >> new kids in town and they are learning the ropes. >> more profound than that. of course they are going to say it is fine and say everything is normal. the impulse will be to bob the problem but the reality is less transition work was done than the romney campaign in 2012. they didn't expect top win and the person running the process got kicked to the curb, chris christie which is unusual given