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Renewal. so the management and regulation of our atomic fleet is, i think, totally inadequate. they overlook all of the obvious problems. most of these plants are essentially 40 years old. the nrc is not only relicensing them to run for another 20 years beyond the 40 years that they were designed to operate but many of them have been given what are called power uprates so are now allowed to run at 120% of their designed and intended capacity. you wouldn't do that to a car or anything else but they're doing it to atomic power plants. >> and how would we upgrade these facilities? how big a lift ...

Them to run for another 20 years beyond the 40 years that they were designed to operate but many of them have been given what are called power uprates so are now allowed to run at 120% of their designed and intended capacity. you wouldn't do that to a car or anything else but they're doing it to atomic power plants. >> and how would we upgrade these facilities? how big a lift would this be for our country? how big of an investment and the logistics of it engineeringwise can it be done or would we have to start over? >> well, i don't -- i mean, you could definitely manage these plants more effi...