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That have -- would that have been compensated by a message that hillary clinton was bringing to people that were bringing them out in droves across the country and in states where she needed to win and shore up, like wisconsin and michigan? i don't think so. i don't think that that was the reason. whatever makes you sleep at night i guess is at this point what the democrats are doing. i don't know if that helps them win future elections. it's not going to change the outcome. >> is this a summary -- if those e-mails of podesta weren't leaked, would donald trump still be president-elect? >> i do...

Capabilities. by the way, with respect to the word hacking, lets call it theft and lets stop calling it hacking. i got a suggestion for you. as malcolm were saying, we all do that and gather intelligence, believe me, i have been the beneficiary of capabilities and when i was the government of the white house and moscow. what is unique and radically unique and i would say dangerous of the publication to influence our presidential election. that's unprecedented. it just needs a bigger scope and investigation, what i worry about is the obama administration has threaten to do some things, that's g...