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Intervening years, i think there's less publicity drawn to them. john mccain, though, to his credit, he, no question, gets confronted. there was a big exchange back and forth last year about immigration. what i'm fascinated by, though, is the fact that we haven't heard as much about immigration, which i thought would sort of be the hot topic in these town halls. it hasn't bubbled up to the national level in terms of people talking about it. maybe it's to your point there just haven't been as many town halls to talk about it. >> the republicans insist it's more obama care, just another year but...

Does it matter to iowa voters or are they focused on other things as it relates to ron paul? >> you know, it hasn't bubbled up as much as i think it will in the final seven days of the campaign. i'll be real honest. they have focused more intensely on his views related to federal spending and what he wants to do in washington and basically what ron paul has successfully done is i think for a large number of republican caucusgoers he's positioned himself as the man with the -- wielding the biggest sledgehammer when he goes to washington. he would be the one who would spark and in some case deto...