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Opponent. dr. anthony fauci. favorite target, speeches and even campaign merchandise which he sells. those flip-flops reach, fauci can pound sand but letting desantis eye something else beyond 2022. if former president donald trump stu stumbles, decides not to run, desantis presenting himself as a potential alternative in 2024 for republicans. joining me to discuss a whole host of things, former republican from illinois, joe walsh. joe, thank you so much. i wonder, big picture here, what do you make of this, i don't know if you want to call it infighting, but competition in the party between d...

That's happening in the party. how real is that? >> i think it's very real. i don't think everyone has to disagree and i think that's where the democratic party short changes themselves when they think they have to be in lock stop and that's also why they have a shallow bench. the fact there is an ideological -- you know, call it infighting, disagreement. people coming to terms with their own belief, evolving on things like immigration. i think it's going to be better for the country if you have that kind of robust debate. i don't see that as being problematic but it is true. >> the one thing ...

But he come out and has that moment. then the earlier this week we saw him throw the nasa chief under the bus when said he misspoke. so what is going on with robert gibbs? slew * i think it's the toughest job in politics to be the white house press secretary. in this case there is a difference between telling the truth and lighting a match to gasoline. i think nancy pelosi saw a match to gasoline. good for her. she is the one who got it through in the end. i think what you are seeing now is not only money coming from the white house but the involvement of bill clinton because clinton is the sy...