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Talk about that? are they worried about that? >> yeah, in their words, they say they share those same concerns but where they differ is on the process. they are, you know, it is their argument that removing the filibuster would cause so much more harm in the future and change the process of the senate so deeply that they don't want to do that, even for this big of a question. the irony here is that that was the joe biden position of two to three years ago. that's the joe biden position of the democratic primary where he wasn't willing to embrace that filibuster ending. he is arrived at this po...

>> i don't think chuck schumer has the political will to do it. and i think he is atrade of the pushback and i think he is -- the constitutionality. doing this, making carve outs for the filibuster is something that's very difficult even for joe biden. it's difficult for chuck schumer. it's difficult for joe manchin. so there's an entire group of people who are democrats for whom this is very difficult. and jake, i just want to say i'm so glad that we are talking voting reform and voting laws this day, the day before january 6th. because we all have to keep in mind that january 6th was about o...

Executive order. i would love to do it legislatively. when our young people go seeking higher education, they're supposed to be seeking opportunities of a lifetime, not a lifetime of debt. so as a mother, as a former professor, and i believe that our president understands the power of education with his own wife, dr. biden being in this space for so many years, i hope the president will take advantage of the executive order, i hope we'll do it also legislatively, but one other thing we must do around student loan debt, we should not have student loan debt at 4, 5, 6, 7, 8%. it should be 0%. th...

The democratic party to use the majority they have in the house and the senate to do something about it legislatively. obviously, you can't control that. you can't control it from your perch in the house. but are you optimistic? chucks schumer has made some noise about that this year that the senate and the full 50 senator caucus on the senate side understands that same urgency that you do. >> we've done our work in the house, chris. the "for the people" act, the "john lewis voting rights" act. and now we have to create the public sentiment that moves the senators to do their job. because, chr...

I've got cousins in michigan. i know there's a big gun culture there. how much might that affect the way a jury pool, if it goes to that, in a case like this or affect a judge's perception of things? i mean, when you have a cultural environment that is very permissive when it comes to guns, can that affect the law? >> you have to understand, these midwestern states, michigan, wisconsin, i'm a native michigander and hunting is very much a part of the culture. students get time off from school for the opening of deer season to go hunting with their parents, so michigan not only contemplates mino...