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Experiment. it is a model for the rest of the country. if he survives, other states will be emboldened to take up this banner of reform. the second thing is that it will have a big impact on determining what kind of wisconsin there is in november. are we going to have the one from 2008, in which there was a 14-point victory by obama or the wisconsin of 2000-2004? gore carried the state by 5,000 votes. in 2004, john kerry carried it lye by less than a half percentage point. a slightly bigger victory by walker would indicate that the state is more like 2000-2004. and finally, it will have a big ...

Benefits, that's a big experiment. it is a model for the rest of the country. if he survives, other states will be emboldened to take up this banner of reform. the second thing is that it will have a big impact on determining what kind of wisconsin there is in november. are we going to have the one from 2008, in which there was a 14-point victory by obama or the wisconsin of 2000-2004? gore carried the state by 5,000 votes. in 2004, john kerry carried it lye by less than a half percentage point. a slightly bigger victory by walker would indicate that the state is more like 2000-2004. and final...

But we're not telling them to take a position for or against mubara mubarak, so far as i know. >> i get that you have to be careful diplomatically. and when this stuff was breaking last week and i was covering it lye, i said look, i understand you have to be careful here. it's an important ally. you don't want to go in there blustering away, et cetera. but doesn't there come a time when we say hey look, shouldn't we stand on the side of the protestors as opposed to mubarak? >> i think we should stand on the side of democracy and reform. but in order to do that we're going to have to be behind ...