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Criminal, why go through the trouble of trying to create this very, very channel against the russians. could there be another explanation? >> right, that's what everybody is trying to figure out. what's the reasoning for this. some people said maybe he did not know, trump and many of his family involved in this process are new to governing and politics. there are also questions about you know what they were trying to talk about. he had that meeting undisclosed and he failed to disclose with the banker as he mentioned in the lead up to this. that ran up a lot of questions and particularly since...

Provide more detail about how it will screen travelers, kate. >> laura, thanks so much. that phased-in approach, a lot of folks will have something to say about that, because that seems to run counter to what we originally heard from the administration, that it was an urgent national priority. i want to head back over to the white house and talk about the president's claim that he was wire tapped. president trump calls it mccarthyism and a new low worthy of a congressional investigation and that he can prove he's right. critics call it baseless and a defecti deflection from bigger issues lik...

Partisan ship and ideology. he calls out both sides. he's right on this one. >> this sound bite i found interesting. i want to get your guys' take on it. this one on mccarthyism. >> who? >> there is an idea floating around college campuses including here at harvard, i think, that scholars should be funded only if their work conforms to a particular view of justice. there's a word for that idea. censorship. it is just a modern form of mccarthyism. >> ooh. >> does he have a point? >> well, look, he's speaking very directly to -- what was interesting is the woman who is disinvited from having hon...

Republicans over school lunch standards and she lost. what will she do to fight congress now? the head of the first ladies let's move campaign is joining us. plus, what do you think of this? are the nation's most famous colleges teaching intolerance? michael bloomberg thinks so. we're going to breakdown the former mayor of new york's stunning speech accusing some pretty famous schools of mccarthyism. [ laughter ] smoke? nah, i'm good. [ male announcer ] celebrate every win with nicoderm cq, the unique patch with time release smartcontrol technology that helps prevent the urge to smoke all da...

Yes. this is true. to call it mccarthyism. it's a -- it is something very different from ideologically shutting people out and silencing people who don't agree with you. >> do you think he saw this speech before he gave it? >> heck no. no way. >> speaking on behalf of someone who did not attend the graduation speech at my graduation i can tell you i think harvard likes these homes that get publicity which creates this discussion. this is. aing in the wake of all the graduations speakers backing out or being pushed out by student bodies who decide they don't want to hear different points of vie...