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You got damaged? >> so the individual market is about 10 million, 11 million people, right? most people get their insurance through their employers but the medicaid expansion was a bigger part of this so you had taxes -- and i know you may not agree with this -- but we had taxes on middle-class and mainly wealthier people paying for people who are at the bottom end of the scale through medicaid expansion. >> but your argument that by spending more money -- if you just raise the price of people's health insurance you don't make them better off than they were before and many imagine dates that o...

Spending 10% of their income on health care. >> right. >> it's something that hits middle income and low-income people. >> let me ask you this. the way you look at takxes tend to be wholistic. you don't want the government taking more money from a person. the bottom line is a lot of these taxes you talk about, i'm not defending them but a lot of these taxes were built no to pay for a system, obamacare which was expensive. in taking these taxes out what we're doing is removing care for people so a lot of the savings out of this bill are things that will come out of medicaid so there are people ...

Act passed, medical debt was one of the leading reasons that drove people into a financial spiral and the republican bills that have been put forward will also cause people to go back to that era where medical debt causes them to to have family financial crises. >> you have said that obamacare went some distance to reducing inequality, racial inequality as it relates to medical access. tell me more about what your thoughts are on that. >> this is the great untold story of the affordable care act and that is that insurance -- the uninsure rates went down for all racial and ethnic groups but it ...

I need you to say that premiums are going down. they're not true. >> i like the house bill better than the senate. >> they're the same thing. premiums are going up. >> in maryland, under obamacare -- >> maryland is -- premiums are -- >> they have gone up 58% under obamacare not 5.5%, but 58%. obamacare is a failure for individuals on the individual market in maryland and they have to pay for their policies. we can't afford it. everyone should agree. both parties should get together and say you know what? what we're doing now doesn't work and we should get together and work together. but when t...

47% in alaska. 38% in maine, 37% in nevada. here ears what senator ben cardin told me about those cuts to medicaid. >> i think it would be devastating because rural people are vulnerable. they don't have the population. they have a large number of medicaid population. they have medicare. it will be very bad. >> i've been talking to hospital administrators in rural counties over the past couple days. they point out that obamacare was the lifeline for many hospitals because they operate on very small profit margins or not profit at all and when the number of paying customers goes up, people with...