spending 10% of their income on health care. >> right. >> it's something that hits middle income and low-income people. >> let me ask you this. the way you look at takxes tend to be wholistic. you don't want the government taking more money from a person. the bottom line is a lot of these taxes you talk about, i'm not defending them but a lot of these taxes were built no to pay for a system, obamacare which was expensive. in taking these taxes out what we're doing is removing care for people so a lot of the savings out of this bill are things that will come out of medicaid so there are people who were receiving money who won't receive it at the low end of the income scale. >> well, what happened with obamacare -- remember we were promised it was going to reduce everybody's premiums by $2,500. premiums went up, particularly on the individual market which is where obamacare mattered, on group -- you know, if you got your insurance through a large company -- >> let me -- >> -- it didn't grow very much. the part that obamacare touched,