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Kids. you know, over the years, as well. >> sure. well, what you just said i think is really illustrative, jim, of -- of the impact of john madden. you asked what his legacy would -- will be or is -- is now even. it's -- it's the nfl, where it is. this is, of course, our national pastime. this is, you know, super bowl sunday is a national holiday. everyone watches the games. you turn it on, the tv ratings, you know, any other sport, it pails in comparison. and john madden really was the epitome of the nfl, and brought the nfl into everyone's home at the moment it was exploding in our conscious...

Could happen if you decided on it. >> the bill set up is so excessive. there was another military, it pails in comparisons to what he's move there now. >> michael weiss, thank you so much for jour reporting on this. up next here on "morning joe," have begun the deliberations of maxwell. we'll have the closing arguments from both sides. plus, donald trump files a lawsuit in an attempt to stop the vifl investigation into his company. >> we'll have reactions from the new york state's attorney general. tate's attorney general.

Surely, we can badger and beat one person up. surely, we can get enough protestors to make that person uncomfortable enough, they will just say okay, i'll vote for anything. just quit. well, guess what? i'm from west virginia. i am not from where they are from where they can just beat the crap out of people and think they will be submissive. period. >> where is the room for yes in that? >> well, i can tell you i'm sure joe manchin is feeling pressure. and i also know this. it pails in comparison to the struggles and the pressures on american families. as we look across this great country, amer...

With regard to whether or not the president pressured the ukrainian government to try to investigate his political rivals here in the u.s. >> you were supposed to hear from four white house officials today in the depositions but they're refusing to appear, including energy secretary rick perry and top officials over at the office of management and budget who are stonewalling your inquiry. do you have enough information already without all of their testimony? >> well, i'm with holding judgment on the ultimate question of impeachment until all of the evidence comes in. that being said, you know,...

Russian and ukrainian, the experts on ukraine, or he can be briefed by this guy from nunes' office wearing a tin foil hat who pursues these ridiculous conspiracy theories. guess who he chooses? naturally he goes with the tin foil hat guy, and this speaks to this astonishing obsession of trump with the 2016 election. and i think, look, we've had delusional presidents before. richard nixon was convinced there was something in a safe in the brookings institution and told haldeman to go blow the safe. it was a figment of his imagination. nothing compared to donald trump's. >> by the way, they just...