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Learner, it's an appropriate action to target the conservative groups and now we know it's larger, religious groups are in the mix as well. >> if you use her words, you may want to add i will take the fifth. and the president's word, the president now says it's phony although it's real to you and martha and other people. you know, if you want to use everybody's words, i do not have an abiding conviction that people are taking this particularly seriously when they are calling it phony. >> i agree. >> well, it is indeed, you know, it's disheartening and if all the politicians, republicans and de...

Learner, it's an appropriate action to target the conservative groups and now we know it's larger, religious groups are in the mix as well. >> if you use her words, you may want to add i will take the fifth. and the president's word, the president now says it's phony although it's real to you and martha and other people. you know, if you want to use everybody's words, i do not have an abiding conviction that people are taking this particularly seriously when they are calling it phony. >> i agree. >> well, it is indeed, you know, it's disheartening and if all the politicians, republicans and de...

>> peter: what's your reaction to that? >> well, i am just stunned. i'm stunned for three reasons. first of all, that the irs scandal ever happened. that the american public could be targeted for their political beliefs, and then secondly, i am stunned that the president is totally stoneballing this investigation. he admitted the targeting happened. he admitted it was horrible abuse, but now government officials are taking the fifth and he's calling it phony. and thirdly, i want to know where john boehner is in all of this. they have the power of the purse. he could demand answers tomorrow. th...

A degree. >> ben, those were words that both the president said on the campaign trail and we also heard michael flynn say just that as well in an interview. let me broaden the conversation and not just focus on flynn right now because, ben, when you look at the president and how he has handled some of the allegations and just this investigation into the russian meddling in the election, do you feel he is taking this investigation seriously enough? he calls it phony. he's called it a scam. does someone usually ask for immunity during a fake or phony investigation? >> i think you have to separat...

Ask for it. >> clayton, you and i yesterday talked about you get into a room and write a speech. we'll try to change the narrative of what's going on, let's talk about the economy and somebody said let's use the term phony scandal. i bet they wish they never wrote those two words down. because anymore somebody died involving these scandals you can't call it phony. think of seal team 6 too. >> yeah, this is something they obviously vetted. they thought the mainstream media may pick up on it and we heard them reiterating the term phony scandal. so seems like they were catching on to what the adm...