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Popularity at this time. there is the military side of general powell and the moral authority that we have been talking about. we showed a clip on general powell addressing the birthism conspiracy and calling it racist. this is not true, we have to say it's not true and we have to make the case for our policies and ideas and not get into this stuff which of course infected the party down the road. you think of republicans today, you have to look and check with donald trump before they stayed with my opinions. general powell never had that problem, it's something that's in short supply today. >...

Movement. >> in the absence of social bleed ya, no internet, no fax machines, we put out flyers. we put out newsletters, communications. the police never even investigated. they never interviewed any of the witnesses at the bar. you know, they never did anything. we said we have to find out the facts of this case. we cannot call it racist unless we actually have some information that this was a racially motivated killing. >> one by one they started talking to witnesses, and soon found a dancer who heard something critical. >> i was close enough to hear mr. ebans say to mr. chin because of you ...

This is so wrong. i have to do something about it. >> helen joined forces with lily chen and other activist. they forms an organization called the american citizens for justice. they began a grassroots movement. >> in the absence of social media, no internet, no fax machines, we put out flyers, we put out news letters, communications. the police never even investigated. they never interviewed any of the witnesses at the bar. you know, they never did anything. we said we have to find out the facts of this case. we cannot call it racist unless we actually have information that this was a raciall...

The rest of the population, and so you got to lack at all of those things and not just at the surface as you said. ask a question or you know, summary question like oh, my gosh, yeah, of course everyone's going to say yes until you actually get down to the nitty-gritty and they know exactly what they're doing. is it racist? it is racist. >> when you know that that's what you're up against that they are willing to do anything to get power back and you're going to fight with each other? >> mm-hmm. >> and now look, i know people on the left will say, oh, stop, stop saig the democrats are fighting...

>> you know, britney, many republicans campaigned on this type of dog whistle around issues involving racism whether it's voting or safety programs, immigration. but then they bristle if someone calls it racist. >> yeah. i mean, look, it is not racist if you do not see it is racist, right? this office tree that goes on in the right where they want to be -- they are being brazenly, intentionally racist and they do not want to be called that. but i think that exchange where there was this discourse about the difference between intention an impact is really important. most of us who work on studi...