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Guarantee to change racist rental practices at their apartment complexes, or a promise to do better when it came to running their businesses. the trumps always seem to get away with it. so in this case, the attorney general's insistence on going forward and her resistance to a settlement is pretty much unique. you know, this is opposite from civil claims made by individuals. donald trump once said to me that these are all slip and fall cases and he won't settle. but, in fact, he does settle. >> yeah pm. >> he settles a lot. he settles more often than he goes to trial. >> it's interesting that ...

Lawsuit, taking it all the way to the bank because the bottom line is, if we don't have this kind of case as a landmark decision, more and more of this will happen in 2024. we had to do whatever we can now, and that includes private sector businesses that have been fraudulently impacted by false claims on fox news. they have to go forward and take this all the way to court. you can't settle. you had to prove that fox news and somebody's outlier fringe networks cannot use their bully pulpit to try to subvert democracy by blaming it on somebody machine. it's crazy. >> joyce, talk to me about wha...

Pour powder in the glass. don't jump ahead, rachel. i know you have 30 kids, you are in a rush. who wants powder? what is your names? we need name tags. let it stand for a second. let it settle. at the bottom. rachel: do you use really cute straus like this at home? brian: let it settle at the bottom. swing it around, swing it around. by the way don't take phone calls, if you take a phone call, you forget what step you're on. spring water. a lot of people want to use evian. i say no. the french are ticking me off. you pour it in here. this is a line. whatever you do, do not pour too fast, it w...

And long years of having this hanging over you, is it something that impacts mental health, do you think? absolutely. undoubtedly. it was a four—year process that kind of compressed towards the end. so in the last year, it got really heavy and it was consuming and the cost to our mental health and creativity was really tangible. now, this thing, in a sense, came on in stages. there was an initial challenge, your royalties got frozen, and then you chose to go to court. why did you do that? why did you choose to to step forward with this? well, it's kind of you're not really given much option ...

Or you can have a settlement and you know that you're in the right, then you can't settle. just out of principle, you can't settle. so there was no other choice. our royalties were frozen and we were given two options and we chose the option that was integral to us. and johnny, obviously, you've done collaborations of all kinds. you've got snow patrol, you're working across the industry. what do you think was at stake for you as a writer in bringing this case? well, one of the most important parts of the songwriting process for us is that there's a sacred space, one we can trust. and we need t...