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York times" piece on you earlier. it involved two employees kitinkit i-- quitting. and they said people just clocking in and out are making the same as me. it shackles it to less motivated team members. what do you think of that? >> i think that both of these team members, although they don't work at gravity anymore they're still valued friend s d counselors that i speak to. so i value their opinion. and on the other hand, if we're actually able to pay everybody enough that they can live a normal life within a mile or two of our office, then to me it's imperative to create some kind of floor, ...

This disincentivizes women, especially low income women. >> are you saying it shackles them to remain out of the work force because they don't receive the benefits they would if they raise their income? >> it stacks the deck against them working. >> there was a huge missed opportunity with obamacare, decoupling health insurance from employment and creating opportunities for women so far more choices, not fewer choices. the vice president's spin is essentially like saying, your house is burning down, but that's okay, you'll have less housework to do. trying to find the one nugget of things. the...