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Appointment. there are fractures on the right as they see this preferred access that fox gets. some of the other ones may -- i mean, the danger is that you then -- it splinters and they turn back on the white house. >> the idea that the conservative president that we'll stand up to the white -- >> they have the experience of the one interview that he granted to our own lester holt. >> yeah. >> [ overlapping talking ]. >> because 23 tif the president a conversation with a functional journalist, he's going to indict himself. that's what they're afraid of. remember, we also have to look at the qu...

Other, trying to figure out what the future of egypt is. >> i asked ron allen that question, what do people want next? his conclusion is they haven't thought that narfar ahead. >> that's typical. as soon as they have to get beyond that, it splinters, unravels. that's why you need a transitional phase. they need to give the egyptians six months, a year, year and a half to set it up. >> everybody who want mubarak to fall tomorrow, i'm talking about people in the west saying get out now, give the people what they want. the people do not know what they want right now. i would suggest a transition,...