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What's there. with respect to the level of appropriate authorities -- >> we're going to quickly break away from this confirmation hearing to go to the rose garden at the white house. the president is speaking out. >> they were unable to do it, not as soon as ronald reagan and we topped that one. but they called it tax reform. we discussed that, right? we discussed it. i said we have to call it not tax reform, nobody know what is that means. we can call it tax increase. we call it tax cuts and jobs. and guess what, we got it passed. >> i also want to recognize a great friend of mine and a man d...

Table. but one of the priorities is closing loopholes. this is essential. the giveaways to the oil industry, the gas industry, the farm subsidies, all that is on the table and we have to look at everything. but most important of all as an appropriator as you begin this process, the budget committee has to create some kind of an agreement so we can begin to design the large 12 appropriations bills for the 2014 cycle. remember, if this isn't done after january 15th, the defense establishment loses $20 billion. this is affecting small contractors in particular. >> so everything that you're saying...

You don't have to call at it tax increase. it will take time to do. that is where you get your scratch. >> bret: there is so much talk about taxes but little talk about spending or cut to spending. george will wrote spending the main culprit because the federal revenue is $2.6 # trillion. spending is $3.76 trillion. we're spending $987 billion more than we would be if we increased bill clinton's last budget for inflation. and population growth. >> you can't tax your way out of this hole or grow your way out of the hole and get double digit growth for 20 years. you can't cut spending out of the...

Tomorrow. >> the fact that it's invisible. fact that all of our basically, all of our spending on most people, is invisible, is why we have most people in this country thinking that they don't benefit from government. >> when of course, they do. >> the other irony here is that when all of the republicans line up to take grover norkwist's pledge to say they won't raise taxes, what they're doing is protecting government spending. because all of these things once they're written into the tax code, if you get rid of that subsidy for corporations, he's able to then call it tax increase. which then ...

On the issue of debt against extending unemployment. that is a remarkable -- >> it's not -- >> so senator jim bunking was setting the way? >> i understand. the way -->> there is a difference. >> what i'm saying -- >> no, you can't have unemployment. >> is that how the democrats -- >> i know. >> it should be clarified. >> that's how the ads will play. despite the fact that the republicans are going to be on tv in re-election, nonetheless, the republicans think that the debt issue is so strong that it will override that even if it misrepresented as opposition of the unfortunate, unemployed. >> b...