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i think, i didn t care that they have weapons. they re not here to hurt me. i remember him saying to the effect of, mark needs to do something more, literally calling the vice president and mark responded something to the effect of, you heard, he doesn t think they re doing anything wrong. the stunning details of an out of touch president, who wanted to join the mob. the president said something to the effect of, i am the effing think president, take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing. we re not going to the capitol. the president of the united states, his chief of staff, his closest advisers, preparing for the violence, and then, trying to save themselves. i recall hearing the word, oath keepers. and hearing the word, proud boys, closer to the plan of the ....
Few seconds for mark to say something. i almost, said, mark, did you hear him? and then mark was, is there anything else, still looking on his phone. and tony looked at me, and i looked at tony, tony said, no, sir, do you have any questions? it s like, did you hear? and i went to tony, and i was like, he said, yeah i know, and then he said have you talked to the president? and tony said, yes sir, he said, all right, good. he asked tony if tony had informed the president? and tony said yes he had? yes. miss hutchinson, is it your understanding that mr. ornato told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6th. that is what mr. ornato relayed to me. so, pistols, rifles, knives, bear spray, tasers, body armor, spears, and flagpoles as two ....
You can see it, but i don t think it was being attention. are you watching the tv, chief? he said, yeah. i said, the rioters are getting really close, have you talked to the president? ou talke to the president talked to the president? he said, no, he doesn t want to deal with it right now. he s still looking at his phone. so, i started to get frustrated because i sort of felt like i was watching him this is not a great comparison, but a car accident happened, and you can t stop it, but you want to be able to do something. i remember thinking in that moment, mark needs to care about this. and i said, mark, do you know where the gyms are right now? and he looked up to me, and said, jim? and i said, mark, is on the floor a little while ago, if you listen. it was the oath. it was really good, did you ....
I think, i didn t care that they have weapons. they re not here to hurt me. i remember him saying to the effect of, mark needs to do something more, literally calling the vice president and mark responded something to the effect of, you heard, he doesn t think they re doing anything wrong. the stunning details of an out of touch president, who wanted to join the mob. the president said something to the effect of, i am the effing think president, take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing. we re not going to the capitol. the president of the united states, his chief of staff, his ....
The six? it s going to be a great day. i remember him saying, rudy, could you explain what s happening on the six? he responded something to the effect of, we are going to the capitol. it s going to be great. the president is going to be there. he is going to look powerful. he s gonna be with the members, he s gonna be with the senators. talk to the chief about it. talk to the chief about it. he knows about it. and did you go back then up to the west wing and tell mr. meadows about your conversation with mr. giuliani? i did. after mr. giuliani had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office, and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch, scrolling through his phone. leaning against the doorway, having an interesting conversation with rudy. it s not like we re going to go to the capitol, he didn t look from his phone and said something to the effect of, there s a lot going on, guys, but i don t know. things might get real, real bad on january six. things might ....