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Form of his certificate was validated by people of hawaii. just a question why would this the this man not be believed when everybody else was? and that -- >> -- because they don't like him. people don't like. >> i think -- >> bill: opponents don't like him. >> i think that was a part of it i don't think that's the only part of it. >> bill: i don't think it's a skin color issue, mort, i really don't. >> i don't think it would have had traction with anybody else other than this candidate. you should know, i'm not a great supporter of this president at this point, okay? but that's not the issue....

If you were doing something to me, i'm trusting you, that's different than knowing that your enemy is waterboardinging you. >> i don't object to you saying that your opinion waterboarding is torture. that's your opinion and it's valid. what i do object to you saying that it's akin to gouging somebody's eye out or cutting their ear off. that's insane, juan. you keep running around doing it and it troubles me because i'm your friend. i'm looking ought for you, i don't want you to do that listen, this is where mary katharine talked about values and getting confused. i don't have any confusion abo...

Me, i'm trusting you, that's different than knowing that your enemy is waterboardinging you. >> i don't object to you saying that your opinion waterboarding is torture. that's your opinion and it's valid. what i do object to you saying that it's akin to gouging somebody's eye out or cutting their ear off. that's insane, juan. you keep running around doing it and it troubles me because i'm your friend. i'm looking ought for you, i don't want you to do that listen, this is where mary katharine talked about values and getting confused. i don't have any confusion about saying. this we don't tortur...

Within the country now that we know that coerced interrogation did help find bin laden? >> that's the thing, you don't get anything out of it i think it sets a terrible press kent for folks putting their necks out there who are trying to find this information, who were cleared in the past and are now having to deal with this. the question is it looks like a lot like a posture. president obama is very good at telling us about what kind of country we are and what kind of country we are not. it gets a little confusing when we are the country that shot win laden but not the country that releases p...

Agree with you. it doesn't seem like the republicans are coalescing around a candidate. perhaps that's a good thing. we need a lively debate and see who these people are. do you have a republican guy who has impressed you? >> first, let me say it is not unusual that there isn't a coalescing around a particular candidate this far in advance of the primaries. it should be the primaries where you get a sense who is going to end up leading the party. and i would point out that watch that call it, obama this station of the game -- he ended up being the nominee and president. it's a little bit early...