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One's head, don't know motives, that motive or if there is a motive. >> how it makes them feel? >> really about the whole conversation. the conversation boils down. how does something make you feel? and that question may not be able to be answered. but itch yf you can start with question. people involved in the conversation are interested in getting to a better place of understanding they will engage. say, i wouldn't have taken it that way. you have to get engaged in the conversation. >> have you had a similar ex-experience to the first lady? >> i had an experience in the store. i was shopping...

Out a way to protect all of your wealth from what will happen if they don't raise the debt ceiling, right? >> that's why i bought a skrooge mcduck -- >> itch yf you can't figure a w hide from the impact of the crash that will happen itch the debt ceiling isn't raised, the koch brothers can't figure out a way either. they have too much money out there tin tin the world. for me, my hope resides in the koch brothers. the koch brothers are going to say to these guys, do you have any idea how many billions we could lose next week if you clowns keep this up? >> this is a remarkable thing, about this...

War ii for the brits. established a father/son relationship with guys. i had gone in villages, never seen some body look like me. i would walk in. all speaking zulu. i would say, look i am here, your government sent me. i work for your government. coming here to teach you bitz s business. sit down. open cash books. try to get the guys set of in business. an amazing experience. after that. very easy to knock on doors on capitol hill. a lot easier to ask for a job if you had done that thing. >> you go to washington. you start off. >> hitchhiked through africa. did crazy stuff you wouldn't normal...