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Iterative process of changes in regulation that happened at local levels, state levels, and i agree with you. no one should have any illusions about this or that bill. but the only hope that i can find is something like that, which is that you have to start somewhere. and you have to -- >> that's an excellent point. yes. and i'm so glad you brought this up. it's an example of how we can change. >> yep. >> americans, when they first proposed no smoking in bars, i thought, well, that is never going to happen. >> yes! >> who would have thought that the germans -- it is not even, what, 75 plus yea...
>> yeah, i think it's really clear what happened, nicole, which is that early on in the process, when the president was deciding what timeline we should withdraw on, because of course trump had said, let's get out by may, and biden ultimately decided to decelerate that timeline. the military leadership was saying, let's keep 2,500 troops in afghanistan. the president weighed that. there was an iterative process. there were many meetings, many decisions, and the presint disagreed with that advice, which is his responsibility to do, to weigh it and consider it, and he said, no, we're going to be...
>> jim, it's unbelievable what they've gone through to try to make this safe. there are still questions, there are still things that need to be certified. the faa comes in and they say, yes, it's fine, but the question, jim, is why did they say it was fine the first time and not this time and that has to do with the fact that safety is really an iterative process. as tragic as that sounds, we really have to learn from these things and make sure that those lost lives weren't in vain and that they are responded to appropriately. the question again is why wasn't this caught in the first place. i ...
Leave but we want to keep things stable? is that even possible? >> well, it's -- you know, there are no easy outcomes here. but certainly you can leave and leave behind more stability than you found. the idea of just precipitously leaving without any sort of iterative process either within your own government or with regional powers, without any effort to set up a diplomatic process going forward, is a recipe for creating more problems than there are now. so i hear the argument and a valid argument that look, we can't stay forever. people who say well, we stayed in germany for 50 years. that's...