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Itself. and that's my opening statement. with me former adviser to the uk, defense ministry and retired military pilot, michael kay. all right, michael, all this talk about sanctions -- >> hi judge. >> how are you tonight? >> i'm good. how are you? >> all this talk about sanctions, are they going to make a difference as it relates to putin going into the ukraine to get to crimea? >> i think your opening statement was spot-on. perception of power. that's been driving putin's behavior over the last couple of months. very different. east ukraine is different to crimea in terms of putin's intended...

These to know. it's very hard to predict where the court is going to be. based on what we heard in the oral arguments and the way most of the lower courts have gone, including the courts of appeal, they have recognized the corporation's right to do this. they're only opting out of covering for contraceptive devices or medications. they provide for literally a hundred others. some are catholic companies, other companies that have particular views. that's the position they're taking. this should not be a really closed case, quite frankly, judge. >> before the decision, jay, came down on the indi...

Into the investigation on the investigation team so now you've got the people who built the airplane and know it best and they're on the scene. so this is all coming together and it's being refined. >> okay. well, i only -- i feel for the families and you know for the world. i mean at large. the concern is that how can this thing happen and we can't figure it out at this point? how does a plane disappear from the face of the earth? let's talk about the bottom of the ocean, captain. >> okay. >> i've heard it described in many ways that there's almost volcanic ridges and valleys. >> yeah. >> can...

Conversations progress, the natural next step is to talk about nato. moldova, these have been talking with nato. the ukraine was as well. which is why putin made that land grab for crimea. >> michael kay, always good it talk to you. >> thank you. coming up, who makes the next move in ukraine? will the united states be a part of it? and is it a zoo or a slaughterhouse? they killed a healthy giraffe last month and this month a family of four lions. that's the topic of tonight's interpol. what should happen to the zoo that killed the giraffe and now slaughtered a family of@w@wowowg

Show and we had a commander, i think it was mark kidd and they had brought out this big ship. within 24 hours, the united states called it back. why are we sending things over and then calling them back? >> that was operating up in the northern area and for some reason, and this is really what intrigues me and we've discussed this off air and that is why did we pull our ship off up north and suddenly start looking down south weeks -- well, about a week before the satellite company came out and said we're convince thad it went down south? >> what does that tell you, captain nash? >> you know, j...