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Non-nato countries is clear, that we wouldn't militarily intervene. you saw it when vice president harris last week went to do her press conference this poland. she continued to reiterate at a time when we were at a height with this war with ukraine, she continued to reiterate that we would defend every inch of nato territory and didn't go far into whether we would do anything with ukraine, didn't go into the question of what would happen if another non-nato country were to be invaded or attacked by russia. i think that's the message that president putin is listening to. while i don't want to ...

And to strike their air defense systems on the ground, which would include the s-400 systems inside russia. there's no halfway measures here. we did that within 30 days, we would pound the russians into absolute tragic situation. we'd probably end up going after their ground developments. it would be an opening step to war with russia. i don't think putin is capable of taking on nato. so it's a political option. it's there for biden and nato leadership to consider. they're not going to do it. by the way, i don't think the russians are going to use chemical ls. it would invite total war. i do n...

>> i don't think putin is ever been serious about negotiation at this point his power depends on victory. i do think zelensky has made somewhat of a confession on —- a confession he is rethinking nato but that's not enough for putin he wants the black sea and t11 a change of government and the eastern part of ukraine at a minimum and he is all in. we need to stop wringing our hands and provide the eggs and the f3 hundreds and the russian air defense systems and provide a lot more arms than what we are doing. we have been slow walking and it's just not enough what we're giving the ukrainians ...

Ip asked them what's your next move. they said they'll try and get themselves to poland, maybe try and find some work to survive somehow. you wonder what's the fate of a 13-year-old girl with her 20-year-old sister, leaving her parents behind and taking a step into the unknown. this is a city sh roulded in uncertainty and some fear that the fighting may come here. for now. it's relatively safe, but as we see, the russian bombing has expanded quite greatly to where we are right now, chris. >> of course that story of the 20- and 13-year-old is hardly the only one of its kind. the tragedy continu...

In conflict so there's a place for civilians to go that is safe, a people for displaced people and so on. and while i understand the merits of a no-fly zone, it's -- to me, it's a weird response to a chemical weapons attack. if you have a war criminal pursuing something so horrific and heinous, just say, what we're going to do is carve out an area of ukraine and make sure that people can go there safely, it doesn't exactly -- to putin's ears it's not a punitive measure in any way, shape, or form. i remember being on the other side handling syria, the debates around the no-fly zones, which neve...