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Putin is looking to the past to create motivation in the present. this is the historian shane o'rourke. putin has his reasons to do this, but he does not have the facts. just after the russian invasion 150 historians who study genocide in nazism released a statement. in it they argue... the rhetoric is factually wrong. nazis do not hold ukraine hostage not launching attacks on ukrainians. there is no evidence to support this kind of claim.

Of diplomacy, you know, between the americans and the russians at this stage. earlier on today, joe biden repeated his belief that vladimir putin is a war criminal. he also called him a butcher and in the last 2a hours, we have had the kremlin saying that they were going to shift their military focus to the east and then suddenly, today, bombing lviv in the west, where, you know, just 200 miles or so from where president biden was giving a speech in warsaw. was that a message of defiance to the americans? who knows? but clearly a sign from the kremlin that no part of ukraine is safe. there is ...

Obviously russia's relationship with china could be imperiled if there's another huge crisis around that. but so i think there's a time table there. i do think putin wants to see some action. he wants to see some responsiveness on the part of the europeans and the united states. he wants to get us to sit down and start negotiating about what the future of ukraine looks like in a european security context. he's gauging right now about how much response he's getting on the diplomatic front and if he feels like he's not getting enough, depending on the timing, i'm pretty sure that he will find so...

They had paramilitary forces shot at our special forces in syria in 2018. putin and russia also -- well, putin wasn't president at the time but russian forces went into georgia in 2008. when putin threatened something, he usually delivers on it. one way or another. and i think that we should be very careful not to think that this is an idle threat. the bigger question is of course, what do they want out of all of this. >> so what does russia get out of this? if they invade ukraine, what does putin get out of it? >> i think putin hasn't made up his mind yet whether they are invading or not but ...

Of course, austria is now in the european union so that model doesn't really hold. basically he wants to have a complete veto of ukraine's foreign defense security and most likely also economic policy and also the choice of its leadership. and that is extraordinary problematic because ukraine has been independent now for 30 years. this december will be the 30th anniversary of the dissolution of the soviet union and essentially putin is saying that ukraine does no longer have the right for independent agency. >> so you say you don't think putin has made up his mind about whether he should invad...