Is the commission of new crimes, which is the former president asking nauta and de oliveira to essentially try to delete the videotapes. you see this often in investigations. i think certainly andrew mccabe talked a little bit about this where sometimes the fbi is on to something, and they do some things to try to see, tick typical wire so to speak. and that prompts the people that they're watching to commit new crimes that allows thome make this case. you can tell here that what happens as a result of some of this interaction is they're reaching out to additional people who then become witnes...