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With you, mark. i know this is a tricky business. it has to do with religion. once we get past these early tests, and you've been through this cycle a number of times, mark halperin, once we get through these early tests of iowa and new hampshire, get down to the deep south, for example, and you have to deal with a lot of baptist voters who are evangelical, will they have a bigger problem with a guy who's had a couple of divorces or with a guy who's lds, a mormon? >> i think if gingrich can harness that redemption story that mark mckinnon mentioned, he is a stronger candidate. he's, of course,...

ák and you've been thro this cycle a number of times, mark halperin, once we get through these early tests of iowa and new hampshire, get down to the deep south, for example, and you have to deal with a lot of baptist voters who are evangelical, will they have a bigger problem with a guy who's had a couple of divorces or with a guy who's lds, a mormon? >> i think if gingrich can harness that redemption story that mark mckinnon mentioned, he is a stronger candidate. he's, of course, a southern wer and he's someone that the party knows. and that's baked into the cake about how they think about ...

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