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Secretary, commerce secretary, forget about poor or middle class, merely affluent rather than just really rich? >> whether or not they say it, this is standard politicians, that presidents use for these cabinet offices all it's time rnlt. >> and just don't say it? >> right. >> interesting. >> and i don't know we have a lot of people who believe the poor aren't at competent at the rich when it comes -- >> he's saying it differently. they still install them in positions of power but don't mention they think they're better than the -- >> right. and trump seems refreshingly honest because he says ...