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High school or any other time in his life, howard fineman joining us. nice to see you again, sir. >> i'm thinking back to social studies class here. i don't know. >> those things never go away. >> it's tricky. if my permanent record is permanent we have a lot to talk about. look, we talk a lot about will christie make it through 2014 as governor, is he still alive in terms of the presidential race, 2016. i want to talk about the rga. that's a chairmanship of the republican governor association is an important thing for him and the party. the governor's mansions are a point of pride for the par...

Patients who come in who even if they get a subsidy can't make up the difference themselves. they are concerned that sick people have coverage. right now they eat the cost of treating them. they have an opportunity under the health care law to transfer that cost. >> if someone comes in without insurance, the hospital may have to eat thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of medical tests and treatment, whereas, it may only cost them $50 to make a contribution to the person's premium. >> you've got it. you can understand why the hospitals want to do it. you can understand why the insu...

Might think. there is actually, courts established tests to figure that out. if you have, you have to look this way. i kind of understand the point. if he has a problem why should be be forced to do it? you can take that extremes have you a religion that doesn't like black people, i get to pick my own religion. so, many would target -- >> this was absurd. >> you know i have to read more about the exact situation. you know? but i think there should be a right to refuse a customer based on your religious beliefs and personal convictions not going against your conscious. we have that with the mil...

Including republicans. nobody knows who this guy is. and if, in fact, we go in after sandy or after the tornadoes in oklahoma or missouri and were helping people effectively and quickly and they're getting what they need, nobody hears about that. that's not something that's reported about. if on the other hand you've got an office in cincinnati in the irs office that i think for bureaucratic reasons is trying to streamline what is a difficult law to interpret about whether tax exemption and they've got a list. >> it's tricky. >> by the way, chris, i'll point out there's some so-called progress...

Fault. i wouldn't call for his resignation but i think it looks like he's not having fun up there anymore. >> when the president says you like your plan, keep your plan -- >> he's in a position to have to defend the indefensible. that's his job. i do think on some things like when they say president obama didn't know about x, y, z that at some point he could say, i don't know why he wasn't told. if i had known, i would have told him. that's something a press secretary can do. >> don't we know the president lied and then he lied about the lie when it comes to if you like your plan you can keep ...