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That's the best way we could address this. >> martha: in terms of vladimir putin's offer that he would open up, what, i don't know, but he says come on over here and you can do your investigation of the people you would indicted and we would have the reciprocal ability to do the same. the president seemed to think that was a pretty big development out of their discussion. what did you make of it? >> that's a very naive way to look at it. i don't think any victim of a burglar would invite the burglar over to create a new home security system, and that's exactly what vladimir putin is trying to ...

Man in the free world? that's just not how it is. and on top of that -- >> let me interrupt for a second. >> martha: go ahead, jack. >> he's got half the nuclear weapons on the planet and that's why we have to be careful dealing with him. >> martha: very good point. >> of course. >> martha: i just want to ask both of you before we run out of time, the comments about how when president trump was in russia as a businessman, he had no idea he was there. he said businessman come and go all the time. he said i couldn't even possibly name the 500 business men who were at that conference, and we cert...

Escape the country. so we have a solid reason to believe that some intelligence officers accompanied and guided these transactions. >> martha: joining me now is bill browder, head of the global justice campaign and jack barsky, former kgb spy and author of "deep undercover: my my life of entangled allegiances as a k beachy agent in america." welcome back to the show. it must have gone right through you when you heard putin call you out by name today. >> i wasn't actually watching the press conference, but i noticed all of a sudden my phone started burning up with messages and i thought, what's...

Judge some place, in hawaii, can make a ruling that shuts down a president's -- a presidential order. that doesn't happen to putin. >> so, your prediction for u.s./russia relations in 2018? >> not much of a change. it's going to be tight. it's going to be -- it's going to be very adversarial. let's put it this way. it needs to be tightly managed. the only reason i believe we have to pay a lot of attention to russia is the fact that they have 50% of the nuclear weapons on the planet. that is where the ultimate power of that comes from. >> jack barsky, thank you so much. we always appreciate hav...

To add is that jack barsky who was on earlier made a really good point which is, you know, don't really look at what the trump campaign was trying to, you know, do in terms of intentional collusion. look at what the russians were doing. these guys have been doing this for decades. they're really, really good at it, and they have a concept called, you know, you know, useful idiots in which they're playing these guys, naive people, maybe well-meaning or whatever, but, you know, they, you know, systematically were going after people in trump campaign, picking them off, isolating them and trying t...