to add is that jack barsky who was on earlier made a really good point which is, you know, don't really look at what the trump campaign was trying to, you know, do in terms of intentional collusion. look at what the russians were doing. these guys have been doing this for decades. they're really, really good at it, and they have a concept called, you know, you know, useful idiots in which they're playing these guys, naive people, maybe well-meaning or whatever, but, you know, they, you know, systematically were going after people in trump campaign, picking them off, isolating them and trying to use them to get access to the campaign, and that's what the mueller people are really looking at. you've got to look at the russians as much as you are looking at the trump people and seeing what kind of puppet strings they were pulling. >> do you want to weigh in? >> yeah, you know one thing that josh was talking about was, you know, for example how unbelievable these "i don't recalls" are. and i think as a lawyer, you know, if jared kushner for example is charged with something else, if he's done some other crime, you know, all of these i don't recalls, all of