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>> i'm sorry. >> this is a problem for everyone. not just a defense problem or a homeland security problem. it's one that really spans the federal departments, the states, everybody has a share in responsibility in protecting the foundations of our democracy. >> jack, you wanted to respond. >> i agree 100%. i don't care who's helping to defend the country. as a matter of fact, right now, there's a war going on. cold war 2.on we're right in the middle of it. it's constantly happening. i think the defense department as well as intelligence agencies as well as the public have a role to play here....

Cyberattack cyberattackers, the problem is our election infrastructure is so reliant on computers that are obsolete. states are using machines are ten years old. we need action on the federal level, on the state level, in order to make these machines are upgraded in order to make sure that we have paper records of every vote. paper is something that doesn't really seem high-tech but, it's a record of the vote that as president trump himself said before the election, can't be changed in a cyberattack. >> jack, everybody -- many people have said, look, we know that this happened in 2016, but we ...

Break into the rolls back in 2016 >> i can't talk about classified information publicly. we saw targeted of 26 states. 21 were successfully penetrated. >> here to discuss what steps officials should be taking to protect elections. alex holderman and jack bartsky. gentlemen, good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> alex, let's start with you, senators will be hearing about the role they should have about protecting elections. the defense, is is that the right department to handle this? home land security do, what can defense do that homeland security doesn't do is the...