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What putin had to expect when he invaded ukraine. i knew too, by the way. because ukrainians have a deep seated hatred for everything russian. not russian people, as much as the russian government. though, that was to be expected. >> jack, do you expect that information, and that view, existed, but it didn't get to vladimir putin, and to prevent will could be the truth for vladimir ukraine the? >> we had heard that he had denied them, and it was against his wishful thinking. you get to a point where you think you are the smartest man in the room, and that is when you start failing. that is the...

To know. the one thing that was unforeseeable is that there is a modern-day churchill coming out of ukraine. that was a surprise. but, it wouldn't have taken that kind of leadership, for the ukrainians, to stand up, and fight, and fight to the death. >> jack maher ski, i really need you to come back. what i want to discuss, the next time you are here, is your own -- you defected from the soviet union, and how did you figure out that your side was wrong? that the information you were getting, and that view, was wrong? that you needed to defect? that is a lesson that today's russians need to hea...

That vladimir putin did not know. how could vladimir putin have been so horribly, and stupidly, wrong. joining us now, jack parscale, a former kgb agent. he is the executive producer, and the podcast of the agent, available on all major streaming platforms. jack, who defected from the kgb in 1988, and towards the end of the soviet union. we know the place and, the kind of work, that vladimir putin was doing in the kgb. are you, in any way, surprised by what you have seen vladimir putin do over the last three weeks? >> may i first and your monologue with an amen. congratulations, you are the fi...