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Taliban were running up to the truck, trying to pitch grenades into it, and he was shooting people at, what, 2 feet, 1 foot? i mean, then the helicopter came in to get the -- evacuate the wounded, behind him, and if dakota hadn't been in there, an awful lot of people would have died. >> you talk about, it sounds so surreal, none of us can understand what that was like. you were talking about nature versus nurture, reminds me, though, what we have here is just, you know, admiral jack pferdmann, who ran training, was a friend of mine from pensacola, i asked him what made a great pilot. and he sa...

Those are the guys. i'm alive here today. two of my buddies died that day. and you know, they weren't looking out for themselves, they were looking out for the men around them. >> and that's reluctance, again, like dakota meyer said, jack, you know, he didn't want to be called a hero, for, he considered himself failing. what the sergeant remembers is not the lives he saved, he remembers the lives lost. and that's why we expect, you know, we need to call people heroes, but they don't want to be called them. and i'm sure you felt the same way coming back from -- >> i did. when i was decorated, t...