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Shut off before it leaves the peninsula. a few minutes later, transponder turned off, after which or around the point at which you hear a pilot give a calm handover. what's the importance of that sequen sequencing? >> toif look at that sequence of events together with the fact that the plane was airborne for about 45 minutes and then today with the prime minister of malaysia's announce mement for first time, i characterized it as it's a deal break er. it changes everything. it's a game changer. the transponder was turned off. the acre system was turned off. then we have what may or may not be,...

That's one of the pilots' voices. the equipment is easy to come by and reliable. here's the third thing. the third thing is every airline trains on a verbal hijack code as well. so malaysia airlines ought to know whether or not the pilot said this, these codes, that they do and only they know what their words are. so if he had been hijacked at that point, presumably he would have said something, because he the verbal chance to do so. all right, good night, is not pilot lingo. so at this point, should have found out if its his voice. reliable ways to do it. the readback missing. maybe we just d...

In the world of whiting that all right, good night, could have been a code for something else that perhaps could have been in way sort of a mayday? >> no. i don't believe so. and if it is, it's not -- nothing that i've ever heard of before. one would have expected a full readout to be something along the lines of, malaysia, 3-7-0, contact, whatever the sequence was and he would have said the frequency he needs to contact vietnam, malaysia, 3-7-0, good night nap would have been the normal way. we don't know, i think whoever was revealing that all right, good night, didn't give us the whole read...

With kuala lumpur before no one was able to communicate with it again? >> well, it doesn't sound bizarre until we now apparently know. now, who knows how the facts will sort out tomorrow, but at this point, since the transponder was turned off before all right, good night, and you can only a turn off the transponder in the cockpit, either one of the two malaysia airlines pilots said this and knew about the transponder turned off, if it was really turned off or just quit working. then, presumably they knew that happened before that last transmissi transmission. so, again, baaing to malaysia air...