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the conversation, because it's being driven by political projects of huge import. i'm reminded of the film "the birth of a nation." the character, ben cameron, right, ben cameron is a hero of the klansmen. one of the great unknown features of american constitutional history is ben cameron is modelled by a guy named rufus bratton, which is the first case under the 14th amendment to reach the united states supreme court. in early 1872, it gets argued. in a very, very telling moment, the supreme court ducks the question entirely, a man who will be a model in "birth of a nation" to avoid...

by being such a good general and prolonging the war. i'm a descendant from slaves. so he -- i mean, it really is comparable to nominating mandela in israel. he can't be man of the year because we still have history. we are not at 2011. i think lee's body should be mixed with road tar. >> isn't that a little harsh, jennifer? >> it's a little harsh, i think. the assumption is anybody associated with slavery, anyone remotely associated with that and who favors it in any way should be disinterred and mixed with ashes. would that apply to people living in the united states at the time of ...

another harry lee and who was there and -- this might be too long a story, but they had a child who fell from some steps and died and his wife became inconsolable and took some consoling in drugs and in the process -- but before that and a jolly party atmosphere there for stratford so the wife's sister came and lived with them. she was an orphan and so she went there and she and light horse harry had a relationship that may not have resulted in a child and she finally went to the court and said she wanted to get out from under light horse harry as her guardian because he's wasting th...

he's wasting that money and it caused a scandal and provoked harry to leave. he went to the hermitage, actually and worked for jackson's, the federalist working for andrew jackson, the crazy populist democrat, but he'll do that, you know. he'll go that far and eventually he'll go to france and have a biography of napoleon and there he died but his wife became a very pitiful figure, pretty dependent upon drugs and things and died a pauper, but lee and his other brother charles carter, carter lee spent a lot of times trying to figure out what they could possibly do for their mother. th...

>> live on american history tv on c-span3. as you may have heard the folks at the museum of the confederacy counting the votes on who will be chosen as person of the year 1862. the audience and viewers here on american history tv heard from five historians today. the most recent you heard from emory thomas who nominated robert e. lee. here are the nominations, stonewall jackson, nominated by robert cribbing who was the chief historian at fredericksburg. david blight for the yale center of the study of slavery resistance and abolition nominated frederick douglass. david fair gut, and...