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Reporter james pendle and kimberly atkins, and reporter for t"the washington post." james, you wore theere there ye, the vice president taking aim as impeachment. this is a step for the campaign that probably seems inevitable at this point. >> look, think it's important to remember in context, biden's the last person to say this in terms of the 2020 democrats. he follows nancy pelosi, he follows a lot of the house democrats. he's 173 days after elizabeth warren called for the same thing. and so, yes, these are some very striking words to hear from jb, the most pointed to date of his campaign. ...

And his inability over the last, say, two weeks as he's been swirled up in this impeachment drama he really hasn't been making that argument very well. >> kimberly, i wanted to follow up on that exact point. it seems like the vice president has really sort of struggled too the role that biden and his family plays in this ukrainian drama which has led to the impeachment inquiry or not. do you think that? do you see this now as an effective tactic or is it too late for someone who's first words of his campaign announcement was charlottesville and taking it directly to president trump and he seem...

We've seen the knew every candidate in this race has to be prepared for everything he's going to bring. so it really was puzzling in that way. perhaps they thought they were in a really solid position because of those poll numbers. but, again, we've seen elizabeth warren sort of chip away at all demographics and especially in places where joe biden is struggling like with young people in moving her numbers with people of color and really coming up in a way that, perhaps, the biden campaign was not expecting. >> wbur's kimberly atkinson, "the boston globe's" james pendle and "the washington pos...

Decide, ultimately. >> i'm joined now by ruth marcus and editor for the washington post and jamal simons working on bill clinton and al gore's race and james pendle from the "boston globe." i have to go to jace. because i love the second contest of the 2020 race will be in new hampshire and historically the person from the nearest state tends to win out there. has warren got that locked up? >> no. because there is another senator from a neighboring state who won looft time by 22 points and his name is bernie sanders. right now in the state there is a bernie wing and you could include that with...

Sell the difference and she's african-american and spending time in baltimore and south carolina. isn't that what is going on? there are so many candidates, we're talking two or three dozen candidates, even on the left there is a lot of them are on, they have to sell the difference. >> you know, we don't know yet who is going to emerge, who is going to catch fire who is going to just have that spark with voters. i'm not betting on anybody. >> you're not betting? i thought you wera pundit. >> i am -- i am too smart a pundit to bet right now. >> go ahead, james. >> one thing that we speak at is ...