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i don't know exactly where paul went, but he left the house, too. >> okay. how did maggie get down there? >> i don't know exactly. but on normal occasions, she would drive, drive a buggy, drive a four wheeler, or very common for her to walk. >> okay. how about paul? >> paul wasn't much of a walker, but he would use all of the others. >> okay. >> i mean, could be any way, you know? i don't know exactly. i wish i could help you with that. >> so they left and went down to the kennels? >> well, maggie went to go to the kennels? >> and paul left? >> i'm assuming paul left, because, you kn...

Hakeem but i'd lied about that. >> arthur badger? >> yes. >> the plylor girls? >> i'm not sure that i talked specifically to them. but i lied about that. >> dionne martin? >> i lied to dionne. >> johnny bush? >> yes. >> emanuel christiani? >> i didn't have any conversations with him. i certainly lied about it. >> jamie risher? >> yes. >> randy draudy? >> yes. >> jordan jinks? >> yes. >> angel gary? >> yes. >> christopher anderson? >> yes. >> elise mallory? >> yes. >> thomas moore? >> no. >> you never lied to him? you just took his money?

Any of this. i don't know that any of this ever came up with michael. >> did you lie to your clients? >> i did. >> natasha thomas? >> i don't know that i dealt with her but i simply lied about that. >> arthur badger? >> i did. >> the plouler girls? >> i'm not sure i talked specifically to them, but i lied about that. >> dion martin. >> i lied to dion. >> johnny bush? >> yes. >> emanuel pristiani? >> i didn't have any conversations with him, but i certainly lied about it. >> jamie risher? >> yes. >> randy drauding? >> yes. >> jordan jinx? >> yes. >> mary duncan? >> yes.