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Democrats would actually stop avoiding that and come to the heartlands, rather than saying it's red states, they would start to win some races. >> and i would say also the presumption of sort of ignorance in and around the dynamics of fossil fuels and the dangers inherent in the production and the extraction of fossil fuels, you cannot bet on the ignorance of the american public and win in the long term. >> no. there is no way. ranchers aren't stupid. they know that if you put a pipeline or a fracking well near their water well, that that is not a good mix. and industry should know this too. w...

My mom makes trains that are friends with trees. [ train whistle blows ] ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪ will new epa regulations actually help democrats at the polls this november? environmental activist jane cleb joins me next. but first hampton pearson has the cnbc market wrap. hi, hampton. >> hi, alex. let's look at the markets going into tomorrow. we have the dow up two points. the s&p down about a point. the nasdaq also adding just a point. that is it from cnbc. first in business worldwide. stick with innovation.

Would give communities more control of energy development in their backyards, while keeping the fracking issue off the ballot. joining me now is executive director of bold nebraska, jane cleb. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> so i was sort of shocked that there is so much hue and cry over a simple ballot measure. were you -- >> yes. let's just be clear about this. environmentalists and local communities, win-win. because if it gets on the ballot, i think the citizens will mobilize and they will get local control. if it doesn't get on a ballot, they have brought this to the le...

And look at the ft. laramie treaty and you'll see the relationship that is set in legal precedence. not only in our minds as travel, but also right across the street over at the capitol. jane how big of an ally is tom s steyer going play in this? >> right now, i don't think a lot of our communities gettinging funding from tom steyer but we welcome his money but from donees across the country. we have small staff supported by small donations. so we would love to see major investors investing in grassroots on the ground to get the work done. we know our community is best. we also know how to pus...

Tourists taking pictures of me. i charge them $10, you know. i got to get something out of it, you know. >> you got to pay it -- >> i got to pay the bills. >> that's right. that's right. jane, one final point, donald trump is now into it. the pop culture may follow him a little bit. he says thousands upon thousands of jobs. your reaction? >> you know, they keep on changing the number, but the reality is, and the state department's report confirmed that there would be 35 permit jobs. essentially you can build a shopping mall and have more short and long-term jobs in that shopping mall and that ...