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Ballots. but they had to pick a very progressive person in tom perez. and i think he is acutely aware of these splits as jane suggested, which is why he picked keith ellison as the vice chair. it would have been like hillary making bernie her running mate. one other thing i think is really important. i think the mayor of south bend, indiana, emerged as a real future leader of the party in this fight, and his message was, we have to stop looking backward and fighting the old fights, and i think both keith ellison and tom perez are going to be echoing his message from here forward. >> speaking o...

George w. bush. he went after voirt i.d. and went to the department of labor. there's 17,000 ploys, a huge bureaucracy. he reenjized that department, fought for overtime wage protections. he's shown he can deal with what would strike many people as cumbersome bureaucracy hard to work with and slow to change. he's done it twice. the key to what will be tom prelz's success will hinge on that word turnaround. he has a track record of that. >> unity is another word that's going to be at issue. >> exactly. >> e.j., one of the things that was surprising to me when i spoke to boast both jane yesterda...

"twer change we seek," seed phillips, author of "brown is the new white," terrific book, and jane cleb, chair of the nebraska democratic party. thanks for being here. jane, given our conversation yesterday in the 2:00 hour i have to start with you. let me flay something that you said yesterday on -- when we talked at 2:00 p.m. >> if it is tom perez, that we have some pieces of wood right here from the grassroots of the party and that it's his responsibility to build a bridge, not mine. and there is a lot of bridge that will need to be built. >> that was something you said, jane, before the vot...

Movement politics so he has to find the way, and people want the authentic messenger of the progressive image and he has to off that if he wants the support. >> that is the view from the floor here in atlanta, and back to new york. >> thank you, alex. i heard some cheer iing while y were speaking, and do you a sense of what was happening that had people cheering -- keith, keith, keith. but it looked like as you were talking about going into the second round of balloting, and judging by what jeff weaver had to say, the fomer campaign mana manager for brny sanders that if tom perez is the one wh...

Tonight's question can populism beat big money? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed. cast your vote tonight. we'll bring you results in the next segment right here on "the ed show." we're joined by vashi kapelos and jane cleb of bold nebraska. great to have both with you tonight. vashi, how big of a transition is this in canada? what do you equate it to? >> this is huge ed. i honestly can't understate it. i worked in alberta for a number of years. i never saw this coming. i don't think anyone really expected the most conservative province in this country to suddenly vote in a left wing party. but this is...