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Standards exert too much federal influence in the classroom. even as establishment republicans, like former florida governor jeb bush, voiced their support. >> people don't recognize that dumb down standards are going to achieve -- yield the same result that we've had, then we're really missing the chance to move forward as a country, so i'm totally committed to this. rahima ellis is -- and janet duderman is for the allies of public education. she's also the parent of two school-aged children. i want to start with you because this is something i think gets in my own head. can you explain the...

Guess how the scores turned out. really bad. >> we have to go, but do you look for it to be repealed or just reformed? >> reform. we need everything to be re-evaluated. it's insane to have a set of standards that the teachers aren't allowed re-evaluate and look at. we've never had standards that are just set in stone and that's it. this is the way it is. we need to take a look at it and see what's wrong with it. >> a debate that will surely continue. rahema ellis, thank you so much, nbc news education correspondent. invaluable today, and, of course, janet duderman, mom and activist, politician...